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 Both of these T.C.C. flagholders were found in The Albany-Troy NY area which explains the reference to Ilium and Troja. The first is on the grave of a man who died 1900 and the second in 1928. The first is actually just down the row and in sight of the grave of President Chester Arthur just as an interesting side note. A military connection is likely given the crossed rifles. Your help is needed in identifying and finding information about this organization.
Ilium Fuit Troja Est
T.C.C. 6 N. G.
This was found on the grave of a man named
Cummings who died 1928. There were
no tombstones for any Wilbers in the
vicinity, so that may be a chapter name,
Subj:  TCC
Date: 08/13/2000 2:43:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: (J Russell White)


The TCC marker does appear to be of military background.  The bed roll on top of a backpack and the crossed rifles.  But the date of death for the one (1900) is well before WW I, which is what I was thinking about.  In the message about S of V it mentions NG, so I am assuming that they have used that term back then - which  could reflect National Guard.  I'll be checking further on that.


 Subj:  TCC flagholder
Date:  5/2/2002 1:21:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: (John E. LaBarre)

This would be for the Troy Citizen Corps. Also known as the 6th Separate Company. It became part of the 2nd Regiment Infantry of the New York
National Guard sometime in the mid teens.
John LaBarre

Subj:  Troy marker
Date:  07/24/2003 7:43:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time

Hi Joyce
    It appears that the e-mail I tried to send yesterday crashed. I have a cast iron plaque that my brother and I pulled out of a Watervliet scrap yard around 1968-'70 along with the rusted metal remains of a Smiths Civil War carbine. The rifle although rare was fairly easy to identify. Until now the plaque was a mystery. The crossed rifles on this plaque are rolling block actions, 1867~'73 or so. I don't think that the army officially adopted this type of rifle although the navy bought some as well as foreign governments. Maybe it was the arm of choice for the NY guard as well since they were produced in Ilion NY..
    Anyway the plaque shows traces of black or blue paint on the field and gold or bronze on the lettering and circles. The belt buckle detail is different from the one that you picture which looks like it is made of bronze. The rifles in your picture also look earlier. On the back side is a cast in dovetail slot near the top edge presumably for mounting on a stake or hook of some sort. It has hung from a hook in this slot in my parents basement for decades now. The internet search on the Latin "Illium Fuit Troja Est." turned up 2 other hits which indicate that this was the motto of the city of Troy at some point ( Illium was, Troy is). I hope this is of some interest to you. Thanks for the interesting web site.
Bill Bennett

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